{"id":16818,"date":"2023-11-08T23:36:35","date_gmt":"2023-11-08T23:36:35","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/secreerd.com\/?p=16818"},"modified":"2025-12-05T06:31:45","modified_gmt":"2025-12-05T06:31:45","slug":"reflecting-on-nine-years-of-frugalwoods","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/secreerd.com\/index.php\/2023\/11\/08\/reflecting-on-nine-years-of-frugalwoods\/","title":{"rendered":"Reflecting on Nine Years of Frugalwoods"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>The circumstance for failure is that you retire right before a stock market crash AND high inflation with low returns (i.e. the 1970s). In paying off our mortgage, we traded maximum possible end value for a reduction in variance. Bonds are typically safer, less volatile, lower return investments, much like a paid-off mortgage. Since I just outlined some very good reasons NOT to pay off a mortgage, why on earth did we do so? I would further argue that you should also have at least one other form of investment (in addition to your retirement). Tying up ALL of your excess cash in a paid-off house is a dangerous proposition.<\/p>\n<h2>Search the Blog<\/h2>\n<ul>\n<li>Astute readers will note that Mr. FW\u2019s job provided our health insurance.<\/li>\n<li>It can also benefit those who have a high-interest mortgage or who don&#8217;t benefit from the mortgage interest tax deduction.<\/li>\n<li>We paid off our Vermont mortgage prior to his retirement, for reasons that are fully explained in this post.<\/li>\n<li>So who are these financial independence sermons for?<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>You should aim to have everything paid off, from student loans to credit card debt, by age 45, O&#8217;Leary says. But, the data is only slightly better if you are living in retirement for 20 years. The above data refers to people who will be retired for 35 years. The average Social Security retirement benefit check is $1,907 as of January 2024. If your bank interest rate is more than your mortgage rate, keep the mortgage for now. When we got married in 2008, we didn\u2019t have much money, but we didn\u2019t have any debt.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cI think it\u2019s very important for me to recognize that the way in which I experience frugality is not going to be the way in which everyone experiences it.\u201d So who are these financial independence sermons for? Sometimes the stories pander to Millennials by touching on issues like climate change \u2014 \u201cFrugality is environmentalism! What evangelists like these <a href=\"https:\/\/forexarena.net\/meet-the-frugalwoods-achieving-financial-independence-through-simple-living\/\">frugalwoods<\/a> have embraced is a model of advice-giving that mostly involves telling self-congratulatory stories about how they achieved financial independence by being frugal.<\/p>\n<p>We\u2019ve settled into a more temperate version of our old selves, which extends its tendrils into every aspect of our lives. In the spring of 2021, we made the decision for Mr. FW to retire from his job as a software engineer after being with the same company for 14 years. We continued to save at a pretty high rate\u2013typically saving all of my husband\u2019s salary and living off of my income combined with the rental income. We moved to Vermont full-time in May 2016 and began renting out our Cambridge house in June 2016.<\/p>\n<h2>Reader Case Study: Plasterer and Social Worker in Manitoba Plan for a Baby<\/h2>\n<p>The Frugalwoods are tight-lipped about their income, though back in 2012, before they moved to Vermont, the couple bought a $460,000 four-bedroom house in Cambridge, a short walk from MIT, according to their blog; last year, they rented it for a monthly rate of $4,400. He retired early, and I left my unfulfilling job to focus on helping people like you. Our income is much lower than when my husband was working, but we live happily and we live well. We continue to invest for retirement (through my solo 401k), contribute to our taxable investments, save into 529 college savings plans for our kids, and add to our Donor Advised Fund for charitable giving.<\/p>\n<h2>The book<\/h2>\n<p>Before the Frugalwoods, there was Broke Millennial, a self-described \u201cfinancially independent\u201d New Yorker whose parents covered half of her college tuition and began teaching her about building capital when she was seven years old. Following the 2008 recession, a new kind of self-help guru \u2014 the Millennial frugality expert \u2014 emerged from the rubble. Many of the modern rich are prolifically frugal, and for Americans who dream of a more gilded life, the art of bean counting can become its own form of religion. This is one of the most integral metrics of the Millennial experience because of its implications for how much money a young person can save.<\/p>\n<h2>That One Time We Accidentally Watched Commercials (and were horrified)<\/h2>\n<p>This was accomplished, yes, through extreme frugality, but also through having good, white-collar salaries. During 2014\u2013our first lean Frugalwoods year\u2013we vacillated between saving 65%-82% each month making our average savings rate 71.4%. \u2192Eliminating everything is an easy way to figure out what you value and what you want to add back into your life. The way my husband, Nate, and I decided to achieve that was through financial independence. I wanted to change how I lived. A job I was fortunate to have.<\/p>\n<h2>Mr. FW Retired and We Paid off Our Mortgage: Frugalwoods FIRE is Complete &#8211; Frugalwoods (<\/h2>\n<p>The better question, however, may be whether that&#8217;s enough for a 70-year-old to live on in retirement so that you can align your budget accordingly. If your bank interest rate is less than your mortgage rate, pay it off. As a result, an oft-stated rule of thumb suggests workers can base their retirement on a percentage of their current income. That could reduce your retirement income too much. Based on this rule, if your annual preretirement income was $100,000, you need $80,000 a year in retirement to cover your expenses. I get bored writing about myself (I mean, kinda\u2026. ) and I want to dig into stuff that\u2019s relevant to your life and your financial journey.<\/p>\n<h2>Let\u2019s resolve your stress and confusion around managing your money<\/h2>\n<p>This represents a willingness to trade the potential of having a higher net worth at, say, age 80 than running out of money at, say, age 70. In general, the safer the investment, the lower the rate of return you can expect. But, if you compare this to the current bond market, 4% is actually not bad. Our interest rate was 4.0% fixed for 30 years. Inflation is when money becomes less valuable. 3) A mortgage is a nice hedge against inflation.<\/p>\n<p>Thus, everything we earned could go towards the future, not towards paying off the past. I\u2019ve come to view our launch into adulthood\u2013debt-free and mostly broke\u2013as one of the most formative elements of our FIRE journey. I can share what plan we select if that\u2019s of interest to folks. Astute readers will note that Mr. FW\u2019s job provided our health insurance.<\/p>\n<p>In fact, I have many times counseled against it in Reader Case Studies over the years. At any rate, this is not about my favorite topic (moi\u2026. ), so I\u2019ll try to get back on point. I like my part-time schedule because it allows me to be with the kids and spend a lot of time outside working on our homestead. But I also have no plans to work full-time.<\/p>\n<p>Yes, you might be able to get a Home Equity Line Of Credit (HELOC), but that\u2019s not a guarantee and certainly not if you\u2019ve lost your job. 2) A paid-off house is an illiquid asset. That does not mean 7% every year, it means a 7% average over the lifetime of an investor.<\/p>\n<p>There\u2019s a lot that we love about dense, urban environs, but it was time for a change. Our desire to live in ways that we find personally meaningful was powerful. At first we thought, ok, we\u2019ll move to the woods when we retire at 65.<\/p>\n<p>Today, they are financially independent and living out their dream on a sixty-six-acre homestead in the woods of rural Vermont with their young daughter. My writing is a narration of our successes, foibles, and lessons learned along this path to a wholly unconventional, whimsical, and purpose-filled life. We\u2019re striving for a life where we work hard, but on projects that are rewarding.<\/p>\n<p>If you simulate retirement over the course of known financial history, there is a very specific set of circumstances whereby a person fails (runs out of money) in retirement. When you pay off a mortgage, you\u2019re not going to end up with the highest dollar return at the end, but you\u2019re also way less likely to run out of money. You can\u2019t use a paid-off house to buy groceries or fix your car or pay for health insurance if you\u2019ve lost your a job. A paid-off house essentially returns the rate of your mortgage interest rate. This makes it easier to put a down payment on a house, build a portfolio, and \u2014 if you\u2019re lucky \u2014 retire early, Frugalwoods-style. The 2008 recession may have cratered the wages and employment prospects for people just entering the job market, but according to the myth of the American Millennial, the real problem young people have today is themselves.<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>I am deeply grateful for the salaries and privileges my husband and I had because that\u2019s what made this journey possible.<\/li>\n<li>I\u2019ve been in your shoes, overwhelmed by how to manage my money and unsure of where to start.<\/li>\n<li>\u201cSeventy to 80% of pre-retirement income is good to shoot for,\u201d said Ben Bakkum, senior investment strategist with New York City financial firm Betterment, in an email.<\/li>\n<li>\u201cI am very aware that my frugality is elective and there\u2019s so much privilege that goes into choosing your lifestyle whatever it is,\u201d she says.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>What\u2019s weird is the book\u2019s assumption that hiring a cabinet painter is an expense that Millennials are liable to encounter \u2014 and that doing the job yourself is somehow empowering, innovative, and thrifty. Within a few years, the Frugalwoods garnered a vocal audience of aspiring frugalists, a book deal with HarperCollins, and enough guest spots on money podcasts to catch the attention of NPR and The New York Times. The Frugalwoods soon had enough money saved to escape their \u201cfrenzied\u201d city grind. What if you were able to retire in your thirties by simply living more \u201cintentionally\u201d and investing in low-fee index funds?<\/p>\n<h2>Why Homesteading?<\/h2>\n<p>Your goal might be to get out of debt or to save up an emergency fund or start investing for your retirement and I want to be helpful to you in that process. No, we didn\u2019t inherit money (nor will we) and no, our parents didn\u2019t buy us houses or cars, but crucially, they did pay for our undergraduate education. With that, we\u2019re now officially FIRE\u2019d (financially independent and retired early), with the caveat that I continue to work part-time as a freelancer. The second profound life change this spring was Mr. FW\u2019s early retirement! If you\u2019re considering paying off your mortgage, and if you\u2019ve met at least the top three criteria outlined above, you\u2019ll want to plan ahead. By paying off your mortgage, you are reducing your reliance on market increases.<\/p>\n<p>According to the Federal Reserve, Millennials in their twenties carried an average debt of $22,135 last summer. And for the millions of Millennial freelancers toiling away in the \u201cgig economy\u201d \u2014 which is growing larger each year \u2014 benefits like 401K plans and employer-paid insurance slide further out of reach. That\u2019s before their paychecks are flattened by rent, utilities, and exorbitant health insurance premiums and deductibles. There\u2019s still time to join us in revolutionizing our finances this month\u2014link in bio! 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